Originally by: Selinate

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Edited by: Selinate on 23/01/2011 18:40:32
Ok. It's official.

This thread is now officially the "Tea Party of Eve" thread. You guys whine at CCP just about as much as the Tea Partiers do at Obama.

EDIT: Also, once again, "fed"

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Originally by: Optimus Night

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For me it comes always back to this point:


Botters/Macros have an unfair advantage against "honest" players. This is a fact!!!

Everyone who opposes this must be affilated in some sort to Botters/Macros or is just plain stupid.

Just read this Interview: http://www.evenews24.com/2010/12/08/rmt-uncovered-the-interview/

"How much roughly you sold to players over the whole time period? (in isk and dollars/euros )

roughly in 9 months 1.2 trillion isk for around 55k euro"

Big alliances tolerate and/or use Bots/Macros. CCP knows this and does nothing against it(or we dont know about it)
Tells me and every other honest player: No chance to suceed at eve without cheating

If I move to 0.0 sec I cant suceed ever cause Alliances will use isk which was generated through Bots/Macros to fight me. I cant win against this behaviour ever cause the hours a day me and other honest players play does never ever match the hours Bots/Macros can generate ISK.

This frustrates me. So why even bothering building up a industrial backbone over many months when I will never have the chance to succeed against those using Bots/Macros.

ATM I want to quit but hate to throw away all the time (and REAL money) I invested.


CCP? THINK! Ban those Bots/Macros and make the Game/client safe and fair to use for everyone. If this means that some parts of the game need to be changed/lost - so be it otherwise this will turn into bot online!

The backbone of this game are not the Bots/Macros.

We the honest players are the base of this game. We do pay your jobs. Without us Eve is nothing!

Loose some money banning and stopping the Bots/Macros and earn even more in making eve an even better and fair game as it is(was). Please!

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Originally by: Gareth Ultari

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Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow

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Originally by: Infinity Ziona

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If you really want to do something to stop bots. Then do what I suggested in an earlier post.

Create an alt, train it to use a basic cloak. Take it out in a frig to 0.0 (start in the drone regions)in a known botting system and then when you log off, go to work, sleep, load that afk guy and afk cloak in that system. This will completely remove the ability of all bots in that system from botting because the bots auto-dock / cloak if a nuetral is in their system.

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It's actually much easier than that, and cheaper too.

Take a noob character fresh out of the box, put it in one of the T1 EW frigs, & fit 3 ECCM-Is for the appropriate race.
Skills required are Racial Frig II, Electronics I & Electronic Warfare I. All 4 races are cap stable with no other modules or skills.

Think it ****es people off when a character with some skills & isk invested camps them out? Wait for the tears a day old noob in a few 100k isk of ship generates.

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creative, an unscannable frig that would show up on d-scan and in local. Nice.

+1 for taking away local and delaying dscan in 0.0. PVPers would easily take care of the bots, no problems.

Would there be bots in hi sec? Sure. Who cares, the yield there is nothing compared to the yield these guys get ratting and mining in 0.0.

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Originally by: Eden Love

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Originally by: Whyumadtho

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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WeÆre currently putting together more information on our efforts to fight RMT and we will make that available to everyone next week. We appreciate that this is something you are all very passionate about and we look forward to answering your questions.

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Anyone got a link to this promised info?

I read the devblog and it had no 'info'.

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Its not only about RMT its also about players who gain an unfair advantage through financing their corporations and alliances with bot money. Thats as bad as RMT..wtf its even more ****ed up cause RMT guys take the money out of the game while players who bot to gain isk to fight others use this money directly against all honest players.
We know that RMT's give a **** to the game. But the dumb idiots who run Bots and play the game should be banned permanently cause they are the biggest threat to the game.

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Originally by: Elanor Vega

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Thats resonable... if you cheat you need to pay for it...
there are so many ways to fight against Botting...
why not implement what many other multiplayer games did... why not implement some sort of PunkBuster bot detection program???
other games that have it don't have this many Bots...

i know, i know... now I will be attacked by botters that are concerned about theirs "privacy"...

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Originally by: Jefferson H Clay

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Originally by: Superkiller NinjaPirate

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once upon a time ... I played on an UO unofficial server. They developed an anti-macro check system: if you doing the same thing over and over (i.e. skill rising, money, materials rising check etc.) a random popup appears and you had to fill in a small digit etc.

I strongly understand that this kind of things is very hard for CCP to implement and that an UO shard back in 2000 is still the vanguard of programming ... but maybe, you know, CCP should try harder. My little cousin is learning v-basic ... he could help you CCP.

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Align, warp, jump, align, warp, jump... *POPUP*

Think of all the repetitive things a fleet does on the move and exactly how much rage that going off at the wrong time would cause.

Funny I know... until it happens to you.

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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow

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Edited by: Grey Stormshadow on 15/03/2011 22:42:48
RMT and botting related discussion is now continuing on this thread.
Please try not to reply here anymore.
Thank you :)
Edited by: Grey Stormshadow on 14/03/2011 08:39:13

Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com exposed
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/09/in-isk-we-trust-iskbank-com-exposed-thousand-of-customers-outed/

Evenews24.com - Client list
http://www.evenews24.com/2010/03/09/iskbank-com-client-list/

Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com/ru Client List: Revised Edition
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/11/iskbank-com-client-list-revised-edition/

Evenews24.com - official revised Iskbank customer list @ googledocs
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Atu22IqpENk5dFMzMzAwWTdNX1lXelVpUUFlOWt0U1E&hl=en&authkey=CNK1-84L

Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com: The Vadim Interview
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/14/iskbank-com-the-vadim-interview/

Evenews24.com article - Customers speak out
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/10/iskbank-com-customers-speak-out/

GM Grimmi's comment about the issue
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1479579&page=5#132

Related:

CCP Sreegs posts about rmt, botting and upcoming announcements in fanfest.
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1426740/author/CCP%20Sreegs

TenTonHammer article - The Daily Grind: Have you ever bought gold?
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/03/12/the-daily-grind-have-you-ever-bought-gold/

Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com Exposed: CSM Candidates Respond
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/14/iskbank-com-exposed-csm-candidates-respond/

Elsewhere:

Massively article - EVE ISK buyers outed in database leak
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/03/10/eve-isk-buyers-outed-in-database-leak/#

Slashdot article - In Isk We Trust: the EVE Online IskBank Exposed
http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/03/10/1712207/In-Isk-We-Trust-the-EVE-Online-IskBank-Exposed

mmorpg.com article - EVE Online News - Iskbank.com Exposed
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/loadNews/19890/Iskbankcom-Exposed

TenTonHammer article - EVENews24 Exposes Iskbank Scandal, Thousands of Customers Outed
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/96325

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Originally by: Vincent Athena

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Has anyone noticed any reduction in the bot population? I tend to not frequent systems that harbor them, so I have not really gotten a feel for if CCP Sreegs is getting results. I do know one bot near me is still going....

Any other bot intel?

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Originally by: Pandadora

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Edited by: Pandadora on 04/04/2011 19:22:02

Originally by: Othran

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Edited by: Othran on 04/04/2011 17:34:57

Originally by: dexington

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Part 4 publicdemands.com goes online...

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Oh quite probably but the trail is there with Paypal transaction numbers. If its a .co.uk registered to a UK resident (ostensibly) then Revenue & Customs will be happy to come play. Couple of thousand x $15US per version (so $15US/sub a year really) is ú20k a year over the years.

If it isn't a UK resident then it at least pushes up transaction costs as its a .com

It amuses me and its utterly trivial to do, so when I'm bored I do stuff like this.

Horses for courses really - you troll and thats about it these days but whatever floats your boat.

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Whatever one think about botting, but taking this into RL just cross the line. Your an assh0le.

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Originally by: Pandadora

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Originally by: Elanor Vega

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Why is he an *******???
every person that have page like that and is doing things like that is aware that that is criminal activity... and that there may be consequences... and i say... that person deserves it... becouse not only that he is doing criminal activities... he is ruining game for ppl that pay for it...

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No, botting or the programming of bots is not illegal. Its against the rules of CCP, and thus they need to address the problem. Also, the reason here is obviously just some kind of personal vendetta and not some form of criminal prevention (even if the author is right with his accusation, i doubt he check the rightness of .co.uk domains all day to check if they valid. This is in the same league as throwing stones in the window of political opponents, because you dont like what they say. Thus, he is an assh0le. :)

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Originally by: Sullen Skoung

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screw the forum debate... fix the botting issue >.<

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Originally by: Khadann

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Originally by: Mr Kidd

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Does anyone here believe that with maximal effort to the extent that CCP could wage war on bots without adversely affecting legit players that we'll be completely bot free?

Very seriously my answer would be NO.

I suggest that CCP stop fighting the bots. People are botting for isk, because content is just Fing boring, they don't have 30 hours a day to play Eve in a competitive way, the grind is just too Fing long in this game. Don't tell me the grind isn't too long. I live in a wh. On most days 200mil/hour PVE is very possible. It still just isn't enough when you consider all the isk sinks, operational costs, etc.

So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.

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Hey can you tell me which bot tool you use please?

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Originally by: CCP Sreegs

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Originally by: Mr Kidd

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Does anyone here believe that with maximal effort to the extent that CCP could wage war on bots without adversely affecting legit players that we'll be completely bot free?

Very seriously my answer would be NO.

I suggest that CCP stop fighting the bots. People are botting for isk, because content is just Fing boring, they don't have 30 hours a day to play Eve in a competitive way, the grind is just too Fing long in this game. Don't tell me the grind isn't too long. I live in a wh. On most days 200mil/hour PVE is very possible. It still just isn't enough when you consider all the isk sinks, operational costs, etc.

So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.

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This is simply not going to happen. Move on.

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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Yeah that thread is clearly a topic by a bot who is trying to spin it. Come on it is classical: think of the children, and someone is very ill and eve was the only thing in his life, oh and they uninstalled eve anyway yet. It isnt even close to believable that it wasnt a botter.

So apparently they are back to three day bans, CCP is trying hard to find a good middle line between keeping the general playerbase happy that they are doing something against botting, without actually stopping people from botting.

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Originally by: Izida

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Edited by: Izida on 13/08/2011 00:10:09
Any updates from CCP yet on this?

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Originally by: Shiangti

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Lets keep this thread on top till the very end

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